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Lazy sunday saison 6 years 11 months ago #13

"stravale":jzjh1ana wrote: I rated the 4 Trouble Specials:

Aroma/Appearance/Taste/Palate/Overall

Agent Provocateur 3.8 - 7/4/8/4/15
Whistle Blower IPA 3.6 - 7/4/7/3/15
Big Bear Brown Ale 3.4 - 7/3/7/3/14
Lazy Saison 3.1 - 6/3/6/3/13

Everyone i've talked to about these beers place Big Bear / Whistle Blower on top....but I liked the depth of flavour in the Agent and it was very well balanced[/quote:jzjh1ana]

I'd swap Big Bear and Whistle Blower, but I agree otherwise.

Agent Provocateur isn't quite hoppy enough for me, but it never claims to be a RyePA, so it stands on it's own merits.
Big Bear does what it says on the tin.
Whistle Blower, however, to me gets all the resin and none of the tropical fruit out of Topaz - it ends up cloying and just too heavy.

Foam & Fury, Beoir #1, Whistle Blower - none have that fresh hop brightness of something from Lagunitas or The Kernel.
Still waiting for Ireland's first true aroma-forward IPA...

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Lazy sunday saison 6 years 11 months ago #14

"KeeganAles":1949lkp1 wrote:

"stravale":1949lkp1 wrote: I rated the 4 Trouble Specials:

Aroma/Appearance/Taste/Palate/Overall

Agent Provocateur 3.8 - 7/4/8/4/15
Whistle Blower IPA 3.6 - 7/4/7/3/15
Big Bear Brown Ale 3.4 - 7/3/7/3/14
Lazy Saison 3.1 - 6/3/6/3/13

Everyone i've talked to about these beers place Big Bear / Whistle Blower on top....but I liked the depth of flavour in the Agent and it was very well balanced[/quote:1949lkp1]

I'd swap Big Bear and Whistle Blower, but I agree otherwise.

Agent Provocateur isn't quite hoppy enough for me, but it never claims to be a RyePA, so it stands on it's own merits.
Big Bear does what it says on the tin.
Whistle Blower, however, to me gets all the resin and none of the tropical fruit out of Topaz - it ends up cloying and just too heavy.

Foam & Fury, Beoir #1, Whistle Blower - none have that fresh hop brightness of something from Lagunitas or The Kernel.
Still waiting for Ireland's first true aroma-forward IPA...[/quote:1949lkp1]Blacks ipa, hurricane, fresh foam & fury there's plenty of fresh hop out there.

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Lazy sunday saison 6 years 11 months ago #15

"Stephanos":2vkiu7lv wrote: Blacks ipa, hurricane, fresh foam & fury there's plenty of fresh hop out there.[/quote:2vkiu7lv]

I don't mean fresh - that's to do with age and storage.

What I'm looking for is... juiciness.
That zesty nose and mouth-watering flavour that makes you think you just bit into a fresh clementine or mango (depending on the hop variety).
This comes from lots of aroma hops and restraint with the crystal malts.

Black's is probably the closest.
Hurricane is lovely, but it is perfectly balanced, not hop forward.
Foam and Fury misses the mark for me - just too much toffee.

There's not even a lot of US breweries that do this right - you have to stick to California and Oregon.

Locally, I'd vouch for the New Zealand IPAs for what I'm blathering about:
Hopwired from 8 Wired or Epic Hop Zombie.

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Lazy sunday saison 6 years 11 months ago #16

Had a couple of beers from Wiper & True in the UK that really hit this spot. One's called "Kiwi Lilt" just so you know what you're in for.

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Lazy sunday saison 6 years 11 months ago #17

Most kiwi hops aren't leaving NZ though. I love them too but we're going to be seeing fewer and fewer of them...especially as brewdog buying up a lot of NS for punk

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Lazy sunday saison 6 years 11 months ago #18

I hated Whistleblower when I had it but maybe it was just a bad bottle. Had zero in the way of hops flavour just bitterness which wasn't balanced without the flavour and aroma.

Still they were new in the shop so I'm still blaming Trouble for it.

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