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"KeeganAles":uypup8qq wrote:

I also often don't see the similarities between a Best Bitter from one brewer to another, either.[/quote:uypup8qq]I don't think there is one. They're not meant to be compared with each other, they're supposed to be compared with the Ordinary from the same brewery. But there's no tied house system in the US, so how could an American style codifier understand that there won't be five different Best Bitters on the bar for the drinker to choose from? By thinking about it for half a second? Yeah, I suppose...

"KeeganAles":uypup8qq wrote:

US craft versions of British styles. How authentic are they? Guides like this can help you guess.[/quote:uypup8qq]I don't think they do, owing to the lack of parallel comparability. And, fundamentally, authenticity is a lousy characteristic to judge beer by. And it's a [i:uypup8qq]lot[/i:uypup8qq] harder than some people imagine, when some supposedly traditional features of styles are only a couple of decades old. Oktoberfestbier is a prime example. How do you brew an "authentic" Oktoberfest style when what they're serving in the tents now was markedly different from ten years ago?

"KeeganAles":uypup8qq wrote:

isn’t debating this stuff part of the fun of beer?[/quote:uypup8qq]Oh absolutely. I'm talking in particular about porter, and the BJCP's assertion that

"BJCP":uypup8qq wrote:

Historical versions would use a significant amount of brown malt[/quote:uypup8qq]which, to the best of my knowledge, is Grade-A horseshit. Great fun. I love it! Codified style guidelines exist to stop such debate from happening. Killjoys.

"KeeganAles":uypup8qq wrote:

Me, I say taste SN Porter and SN Stout side by side and that’s your difference.[/quote:uypup8qq]Stout tastes nice while Porter is horrible? Yeah, I can see the truth in that <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

&quot;KeeganAles&quot;:uypup8qq wrote:

the BJCP revises to reflect that.[/quote:uypup8qq]It [i:uypup8qq]expands[/i:uypup8qq] to reflect that. Not the same thing.

&quot;KeeganAles&quot;:uypup8qq wrote:

If anything, styles help define traditional beers.[/quote:uypup8qq]If done right. But the BJCP-defined styles, to a massive extent, [i:uypup8qq]invent[/i:uypup8qq] definitions of traditional European beers which have no basis in reality. It [i:uypup8qq]changes[/i:uypup8qq] traditional styles. You turn round and next thing everyone's bunging brown malt in their porter because that's what porter is, isn't it?

&quot;KeeganAles&quot;:uypup8qq wrote:

I'm glad that's explained somewhere[/quote:uypup8qq]Regardless of how cack-handedly inaccurately it's done?

&quot;BJCP wrote:

A pale ale brewed to an increased gravity and hop rate.[/quote:uypup8qq]Horseshit.

&quot;BJCP&quot;:uypup8qq wrote:

The term “IPA” is loosely applied in commercial English beers today, and [b:uypup8qq]has been (incorrectly) used in beers below 4% ABV[/b:uypup8qq][/quote:uypup8qq]Donkeypoo.

They're just making this stuff up. It has zero basis in fact. And suddenly it's influencing the beer I drink?

Blood pressure tablets, please.

Edit: Oh, and I'm sure you'll all be pleased to see that we've hit both ends of Barm's-Billings's Law[/url:uypup8qq].

The periodic table of beer is proof that someone has too much time on their hands.

I find the BJCP to be an aid when I'm trying to brew a style with which I'm not familiar, more for a guide on the appropriate grains and hops to use. Just because I can hit the right color with Maris Otter and black patent malt and the right IBUs with Cascade doesn't mean I've made an Oktoberfest.

Besides, i figure the main reason that the BJCP (and AHA) has so many categories is that if you have a competition and hand out three prizes, three brewers will brag about their success in your comp. If you have 50 different categories and hand out 150 awards, you'll have 150 brewers pimping your event for free for a whole year (or more).

Calm down, Calm down.[/scouse]

Everyone knows that there's only fundamentally three different beer types: Guinness, proper lager and those other weird beers.

Glad I could clear that up for you all.

[quote:9gmiymu2]Guinness, proper lager and those other weird beers. [/quote:9gmiymu2]

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&quot;Poc&quot;:ediq4eg8 wrote:

proper lager.[/quote:ediq4eg8]

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