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Guinness Dublin Porter and West Indies porter 6 years 7 months ago #7

West Indies Porter was the original name in 1801. It evolved into Foreign Extra Stout.

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Guinness Dublin Porter and West Indies porter 6 years 7 months ago #8

"KeeganAles":3dzgqyem wrote: Ron Pattinson should be all over this like white on rice.

First thing that gets my attention is the idea of a West Indian [i:3dzgqyem]porter[/i:3dzgqyem] - afaik, the strong beers headed there were exactly the source of the term "stout".[/quote:3dzgqyem]

They did brew a west india porter it had a higher OG that town and country porter . The west india porter had one of the highest hopping of all.. Their "Stouter"porter in 1801 was superior and at this time all of the beers would have contined amber and brown malt with no roasted malt, which I suspect that Guinness has forgotten about.

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Guinness Dublin Porter and West Indies porter 6 years 7 months ago #9

"TheBeerNut":1ait1v5f wrote:

&quot;oblivious&quot;:1ait1v5f wrote: 3.8% for the Porter, I would say that would put it at the later end of the 20th century.[/quote:1ait1v5f]Definitely post-1917. "Brewer's source 1796" says the bottle <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->[/quote:1ait1v5f]

Very true

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Guinness Dublin Porter and West Indies porter 6 years 7 months ago #10

Dublin Porter will be on tap too. Not so sure it'll do well once the novelty has passed. Looking forward to the Windies porter though as hopefully they'll give it the same treatment as the FES, although it's not going to be on tap unfortunately.

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Guinness Dublin Porter and West Indies porter 6 years 7 months ago #11

&quot;Rory&quot;:1oc8zsqa wrote: but I'm curious how they taste... BeerNut?[/quote:1oc8zsqa]They're both definitely Guinness: they're both made with the essence which I'm assuming is what gives them that certain tangy sourness. Dublin Porter comes across very much like bottled Extra Stout: it's thin, it's fizzy, it's dry. The grist is pale malt and roast barley only. If I had to choose between a 500ml bottle of it and a pint bottle of ES I'd go on price per ml: it just doesn't taste different enough. The draught version will, however, be served on straight CO2, which is good.

West Indies Porter made me immediately think of Foreign Extra Stout. It's that tang again, and the dryness. The brewer said they've put lots of extra late Goldings in, but old clothnose here couldn't smell them. As well as pale malt and roast barley, there's some unmalted unroasted barley too. A half litre bottle of this vs. a 33cl of FES would be a tough decision, but I doubt I would go with the new guy. It's just so much less complex.

While the marketing folk are making much of the connection to the pilot brewhouse with these, and they did grow out of it, as all Diageo beer recipes do (literally all, I think -- it's the only pilot plant they have anywhere: one FV had a test batch of Tusker in it) the new ones are full production beers brewed on the big-boy kit. The "Brewers Project" badge is just marketing emphasis, nothing more.

The 1796 on the DP label refers to the oldest porter brewing record extant in the Guinness archive. Likewise, 1801 was the first year something called West Indies Porter was produced. The pilot brewers said they looked at things like relative hopping rates, but that's pretty much as far as the inspiration went. The beers were created to a spec handed down by the suits.

Practically speaking, James's Gate cannot make non-sterile beer. It's to do with the technicalities surrounding their plant and its various certifications. Doing cask conditioning, bottle conditioning, or even non-pasteurised beer, would be a huge project that nobody is really countenancing, or is likely to.

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Guinness Dublin Porter and West Indies porter 6 years 7 months ago #12

Thank you for that john, its probably as much as we can expect.

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