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TOPIC: So the Craft Beer Bill is essentially useless.

So the Craft Beer Bill is essentially useless. 1 year 4 months ago #1

ICBI held a conference on compliance for members in regard to Alan Kelly's bill and it seems the major take away was that it's essentially useless.
Along with issues around needing to apply for planning for change of use to sell off trade (take away), the limitation on hours and several other issues mean that the vast majority of breweries will have absolutely no benefit from the bill at all.

Another case of VFI 1 - 0 Craft Brewers, well done Alan Kelly, writing "quality" legisltion since 2009.

What will Beoir, as the consumer group for beer drinkers in Ireland, be doing to help the industry lobby for better legislation?

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So the Craft Beer Bill is essentially useless. 1 year 4 months ago #2

What legislation is the industry proposing?

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So the Craft Beer Bill is essentially useless. 1 year 4 months ago #3

They haven't yet, but they do through various groups lobby for better conditions for production and sale of craft beers in Ireland.

I didn't ask "will Beoir be presenting a draft bill to TD's and/or senators in an attempt to try and get it passed?"
I asked what will Beoir do to lobby for better legislation? What will beoir actually do to represent craft beer consumers interests?

This is, ultimitely, a consumer issue as it effects the availablity of the product which the organisation is built around.

How much time has beoir spent lobbying TD's or Senators or even senior civil servants in the last (lets limit it to) two years to benefit it's members access to their products of choice?

Surely a functioning, fit for purpose taprooms bill that allows Breweries to access the market easier and allows consumers to acquire their products easier, is exactly the sort of thing Beoir should be lobbying for?

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So the Craft Beer Bill is essentially useless. 1 year 4 months ago #4

"Seaneh":uv8fy7c6 wrote: How much time has beoir spent lobbying TD's or Senators or even senior civil servants in the last (lets limit it to) two years to benefit it's members access to their products of choice?[/quote:uv8fy7c6]Well none, obviously. Who has the time? The ICBI has a professional lobbyist on the payroll. The introduction of the 2005 excise rebate was achieved by a paid lobbyist, and doubtless the extension of the production limit also involved people taking time out of their working day to go and pitch for it. Beoir doesn't operate on that level. I'm surprised you don't know this.

"Seaneh":uv8fy7c6 wrote: Surely a functioning, fit for purpose taprooms bill that allows Breweries to access the market easier and allows consumers to acquire their products easier, is exactly the sort of thing Beoir should be lobbying for?[/quote:uv8fy7c6]Might see how this one plays out first.

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So the Craft Beer Bill is essentially useless. 1 year 4 months ago #5

I know Beoir doesn't really operate on any level, which is why I asked the question.

There's are dozens of not for profit organisations (including consumer bodies) made up of volunteers around the country who manage lobby at some level.
It's not actually hard to do, you don't need to pay a lobbiest to do it, and it doesnt actually take all that much time or effort.


We know how this plays out. The bill isn't fit for purpose, it won't benefit the industry or the consumer. It was badly written and done so in a vacuum that completely ignored existing licinging and planning laws. At this stage it would need to be completely rewritten to be of any benefit to producers or consumers.

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So the Craft Beer Bill is essentially useless. 1 year 4 months ago #6

"Seaneh":1d9psos4 wrote: We know how this plays out.[/quote:1d9psos4]Respectfully, Seán, we don't.

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