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If Tony McGee didnt lambaste other sell out brewers on twitter there wouldnt be such a fuss about this imo. The guy tried to come off as some mad philosophical punk rock dude, who just likes to smoke weed & jam with his band. But did a complete u turn so he could get his beer on every shelf. I bet the money has nothing to do with it. Its domination, LAGUNITAS #1

That whole 2018 hop crisis shit he was talking about in Ireland, this is why. He knew this was coming and knew the merger would take a giant shit on world hop supply. Cheers Tony.

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Heineken took over Mort Subite in Belgium and failed to make any investment in the production of their traditional lambics at a time when lambic production is severely strained due to supply not being able to match demand. That is how committed Big H is to 'craft' beer styles. They have become one massive logistics company that is none too bright when it comes to knowing what is going on in what it sees as beer's margins.

If they screw up Lagunitas they are stoopid, but sadly they might be. Either way there are other American hoppy pale ales out there. Too many by far, really.

I have a question though, borne out of ignorance. What was the relationship of Lagunitas to the company that handles imports of better foreign beers to Ireland and also much of the cross border beer trade for smaller brewers between the Republic and the North? I got told that they had a large stake in it but that may have been a misunderstanding. If that is right though, smaller Irish brewers and Irish beer might be about to learn why ownership matters.

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Tim Webb, author of Good Beer Guide Belgium, World Atlas of Beer and others

He took the soup, clearly 850K barrels a year wasn't enough, but whats with the poor me bit though? suck it up and retire to the bahamas with the 40 million!
I walked into Supervalu in Bray last week and was truly choked to see 27 Irish breweries and over 50 beers so what's the issue? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

&quot;TimWebb&quot;:1rg3htqw wrote: What was the relationship of Lagunitas to the company that handles imports of better foreign beers to Ireland and also much of the cross border beer trade for smaller brewers between the Republic and the North?[/quote:1rg3htqw]Grand Cru? Just a customer of Lagunitas, and will remain so, they've said.

I agree: good beer is good beer and this is everything that really matters. The main issue though, is that mass-produced beer will likely be a) less prone to differentiation and b) less likely to do "stupid" investments in quality and fantasy... as TimWebb pointed out very precisely...