Beoir's definition is solely "Irish Craft Beer" (and "Irish Craft Cider"). It all breaks down when you try and apply the principles of Beoir's definition more widely. It works for here for now, and that's all it's meant to do.
HH13 and SPA are two million litres at a time at high gravity, aren't they? Is that smaller than the Lagunitas brew length?
"CDow":1bb4q3du wrote: I know Lagunitas qualified as craft in the US prior to this deal, but didn't qualify under the Beoir definition, why do we still consider it craft? If this is craft ($1bn, 730 employees) then Smithwicks PA and Hop House 13 have to be considered craft. They are most definitely brewed in much smaller batches to Lagunitas best sellers.[/quote:1bb4q3du]
Ah maybe I shouldn't have said "craft". I meant that, for a lot of countries, it would be a step away from multinational brewed lagers and would hopefully encourage indigenous brewery growth.
I don't mean to come across as critical or nit picking on the use of craft or the Beoir definition of craft. I honestly think that the term craft is redundant and has been for some time.
It has certainly encouraged new brewers to dip their toes and has resulted in some wonderful new beers, and a good few duds. Franciscan Well, Goose Island, Meantime and now Lagunitas have all been bought by much bigger brewery concerns. Has the quality of their beers been affected by their news owners?
I love the idea of local beer by local breweries and will continue to support them as long as their product is to my taste. I will continue to drink them even if bought by the macros. Beer is either good or bad.
One the one hand I agree. But on the other you have dishonest UK-brewed Fran Well beer, dishonest Dutch-brewed Meantime "London" Lager, and lower-quality Goose Island IPA, so there's still some justification to the distinction, IMO.
"CDow":cptl9nlp wrote: Has the quality of their beers been affected by their news owners?[/quote:cptl9nlp]
In the case of one of the examples you listed- unequivocally yes; and was even confirmed to me by one of their brewers.
John agree re Fran Well and Meantime and will take your word re GI. Sam Adams brewed in Kent etc. However I'm sure that Brewdog brew some Punk elsewhere due to capacity. Ditto an Irish brewer I spoke to.